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Thread 6

One law

The practice that the Quran decrees is the practice the earlier scriptures already record: prayer with prostration on the face, at fixed times, facing a fixed direction, after washing hands and feet, with shoes removed on holy ground; fasting "as it was decreed for those before you" (2:183); charity to the poor; pilgrimage to the house Abraham raised; the same four prohibited foods (carrion, blood, swine, idol-dedicated meat); warnings against intoxicants; the ban on usury; modesty; marriage as a covenant; the law of equivalence. "For each of you, we have decreed laws and different rites" (5:48) explains the differences; the sameness is what this strand shows.

The witnesses 22 passages

Clear match

Genesis 17:3; Numbers 20:6; Joshua 5:14; 1 Kings 18:42; Matthew 26:39 (KJV)

"And Abraham fell on his face…" / "And they (Moses and Aaron) fell upon their faces" / "And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship" / "(Elijah) cast himself down upon the earth, and put his face between his knees" / "And he (Jesus) went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed."

Practice: Prostration on the face

The Final Testament

[22:77] O you who believe, you shall bow, prostrate, worship your Lord, and work righteousness, that you may succeed. [3:43] "O Mary, you shall submit to your Lord, and prostrate and bow down with those who bow down."

Clear match

Exodus 40:31–32 (KJV); Acts 21:26

"And Moses and Aaron and his sons washed their hands and their feet thereat; when they went into the tent of the congregation they washed as the Lord commanded Moses."

Practice: Ablution

The Final Testament

[5:6] …when you observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), you shall: (1) wash your faces, (2) wash your arms to the elbows, (3) wipe your heads, and (4) wash your feet to the ankles…

Clear match

Daniel 6:10 (KJV); 1 Kings 8:44, 48

"his window being open in his chamber towards Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed."

Practice: Times and direction

The Final Testament

[2:144] …Henceforth, you shall turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid… Those who received the previous scripture know that this is the truth from their Lord… [11:114] You shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) at both ends of the day, and during the night… (also 17:78; 2:238; 4:103)

Clear match

Exodus 3:5 (KJV); Acts 7:33

"Put off thy shoes from thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground."

Practice: Shoes off on holy ground

The Final Testament

[20:12] "I am your Lord; remove your sandals. You are in the sacred valley, Tuwa.

Clear match

1 Kings 8:54; John 11:41–42 (KJV)

"Solomon… arose from before the altar of the Lord, from kneeling on his knees with his hands spread up to heaven." / "Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me… that they may believe that thou hast sent me."

Practice: Hands spread in supplication; thanks before a miracle

The Final Testament

[2:201] (as cited); [2:186] When My servants ask you about Me, I am always near. I answer their prayers when they pray to Me…

Reasonable reading

Numbers 10:1–3 (KJV)

"make thee two trumpets of silver… for the calling of the assembly…"

Practice: The call to assembly

The Final Testament

[62:9] …when the Congregational Prayer (Salat Al-Jumu`ah) is announced on Friday, you shall hasten to the commemoration of GOD, and drop all business…

Clear match

Moses' forty days; Daniel; Jesus' forty days; Matthew 17:21 "fasting and prayer" (as cited)

Practice: Fasting

The Final Testament

[2:183] O you who believe, fasting is decreed for you, as it was decreed for those before you, that you may attain salvation. [2:185]; [2:187] …You may eat and drink until the white thread of light becomes distinguishable from the dark thread of night at dawn. Then, you shall fast until sunset…

Clear match

— (the sources draw no Bible verse; Leviticus 25 / Deuteronomy 15 tithes are "obvious", per the notes)

Practice: Charity

The Final Testament

[2:177] …they give the money, cheerfully, to the relatives, the orphans, the needy, the traveling alien, the beggars, and to free the slaves; and they observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat)… [9:60]; [107:1–7] Do you know who really rejects the faith? That is the one who mistreats the orphans. And does not advocate the feeding of the poor… [17:26] …but do not be excessive, extravagant. [19:31] (Jesus "enjoined… Zakat")

Clear match

— (no Bible/Hindu text drawn)

Practice: Pilgrimage

The Final Testament

[22:26] We appointed Abraham to establish the Shrine: "You shall not idolize any other god beside Me, and purify My shrine for those who visit it…" [22:27] "And proclaim that the people shall observe Hajj pilgrimage…" [22:29] …and visit the ancient shrine. [3:96] (Becca)

Clear match

Leviticus 11:7–8; Deuteronomy 14:8 (KJV); Isaiah 65:4 (condemns those "which eat swine's flesh")

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you."

Practice: Diet: swine

The Final Testament

[2:173] He only prohibits for you the eating of animals that die of themselves (without human interference), blood, the meat of pigs, and animals dedicated to other than GOD… [5:3]; [6:145]; [16:115]

Clear match

Leviticus 17:15; Deuteronomy 14:21 (as paraphrased: "Thou shall not have the meat that dieth of itself"); Leviticus 17 (blood)

Practice: Diet: carrion and blood — the four-item match

The Final Testament

[6:145] Say, "I do not find in the revelations given to me any food that is prohibited for any eater except: (1) carrion, (2) running blood, (3) the meat of pigs, for it is contaminated, and (4) the meat of animals blasphemously dedicated to other than GOD."…

Clear match

Genesis 9:2–3; Deuteronomy 14:9, 11, 20; Luke 24:41–43; Romans 14:2–3 (KJV as quoted)

"Every creature that moveth on land, and is a living creature – they are meat unto you, and also herbs and shrubs." / "…anyone who eateth, should not insult those who eateth not – and those who eateth not, should not judge those who eateth."

Practice: Diet: meat permitted — Bible

The Final Testament

[5:1] …Permitted for you to eat are the livestock, except those specifically prohibited herein… [16:5]; [23:21]; [2:168]; [20:81] (as cited)

Clear match

Manusmriti 5:30, 5:31, 5:39–40; 3:266–272; Mahabharata, Anushasana Parva 88 (Ganguli); Rigveda 10:16:10, 10:85:13, 10:86:13; Valmiki Ramayana, Ayodhya Kanda (Rama's "tasty meat dishes")

Manu 5:30: "The eater who eats the flesh of those to be eaten does nothing bad, even if he does it day after day, for God himself created some to be eaten and some to be eater." Manu 5:31: "Eating meat is right for the sacrifice, this is traditionally known as a rule of the gods." Anushasana 88: "…With beef presented at the Shraddha, their gratification, it is said, lasts for a full year… The flesh of rhinoceros… becomes inexhaustible."

Practice: Diet: meat and sacrifice — Hindu texts

The Final Testament

[22:36] The animal offerings are among the rites decreed by GOD for your own good. You shall mention GOD's name on them… Once they are offered for sacrifice, you shall eat therefrom and feed the poor and the needy… [22:37] Neither their meat, nor their blood reaches GOD. What reaches Him is your righteousness…

Clear match

Proverbs 20:1; Ephesians 5:18 (KJV); Manusmriti (not in the notes)

"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging; and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." / "And be not drunk with wine."

Practice: Intoxicants

The Final Testament

[5:90] O you who believe, intoxicants, and gambling, and the altars of idols, and the games of chance are abominations of the devil; you shall avoid them, that you may succeed. [5:91]

Reasonable reading

Rigveda 10:34:3–13 (the Gambler's Lament; "play not with dice; plough thy field") — reference only in the notes

Practice: Gambling

The Final Testament

[5:90]

Clear match

Deuteronomy 23:19; Ezekiel 18 (requested by the brief) — not cited in the notes; Rigveda 3:35:14 (IRF outline reference only)

Practice: Usury

The Final Testament

[2:275] …GOD permits commerce, and prohibits usury… [2:278]; [3:130] …you shall not take usury, compounded over and over… [30:39]; [4:161] And for practicing usury, which was forbidden…

Clear match

— (1 Corinthians 11:5–6; 1 Timothy 2:9; Rigveda 10:33:19, 10:85:30 — requested, absent)

Practice: Modesty

The Final Testament

[24:30] Tell the believing men that they shall subdue their eyes… [24:31] And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests… [33:59] …they shall lengthen their garments…

Clear match

Genesis 2 (one being and its mate); polygamy of the patriarchs (1 Kings 11:3; Genesis 16, 25, 29–30 — only Abraham and Solomon named in the notes); Dasharatha and Krishna (epics); Talmudic law until Rabbi Gershom (c. 1000 CE); 1 Timothy 3:2 "husband of one wife" (counter-example for bishops)

Practice: Marriage

The Final Testament

[30:21] …He placed in your hearts love and care towards your spouses… [4:3] If you deem it best for the orphans, you may marry their mothers - you may marry two, three, or four. If you fear lest you become unfair, then you shall be content with only one… [4:129] You can never be equitable in dealing with more than one wife, no matter how hard you try… (also 4:4; 4:19; 5:5)

Clear match

Exodus 21:23–25 (implied by 5:45); Deuteronomy 19:15 (witnesses — not cited); Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5 (parallel to 5:32 — not cited)

Practice: The law of equivalence; murder; false witness

The Final Testament

[5:45] And we decreed for them in it that: the life for the life, the eye for the eye… If one forfeits what is due to him as a charity, it will atone for his sins… [5:32] Because of this, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person… it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people… [2:178]; [24:4] Those who accuse married women of adultery, then fail to produce four witnesses, you shall whip them eighty lashes…

Clear match

Practice: Theft

The Final Testament

[5:38] The thief, male or female, you shall mark their hands as a punishment for their crime… (AEV fn 5:38: "The practice of cutting off the thief's hand… is a satanic practice without Quranic basis.")

Clear match

Exodus 20:12 (implied, not cited); Luke 14:26 (used against Christianity by Sherif — a literalist reading; Greek miseō often = "love less")

Practice: Parents; justice against oneself; backbiting

The Final Testament

[17:23] …your parents shall be honored… you shall never say to them, "Uff"… [4:135] …you shall be absolutely equitable… when you serve as witnesses, even against yourselves, or your parents, or your relatives… [49:11–12] …nor shall you backbite one another; this is as abominable as eating the flesh of your dead brother… [17:32] You shall not commit adultery; it is a gross sin…

Clear match

Deuteronomy 12:32; Revelation 22:18–19 (KJV)

"Whatsoever thing I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it."

Practice: Not adding to or diminishing GOD's word

The Final Testament

[15:9]; [6:115] The word of your Lord is complete, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words…

Sharing this thread

With a Jew or Christian, the prayer rows (6.1–6.5) are the gentlest possible opening to Islamic practice: show Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Elijah, Solomon, Daniel and Jesus praying as the Muslim prays, and say that the Quran decrees for the believer what their prophets already did. Then diet: the four-item match (6.10–6.11) and Genesis 9:3; then fasting with 2:183's own "as it was decreed for those before you". Keep alcohol, modesty and marriage for later and shorter, because there the Quran completes rather than repeats, and say so plainly ("ye cannot bear them now", John 16:12, is Deedat's bridge). With a Hindu, lead with sacrifice-and-eat (6.13, Manu beside 22:36–37), then the Vedic gambling and usury rows once their texts are sourced, and never begin with the meat question as a point to win. With all, 5:48's "For each of you, we have decreed laws and different rites" is the sentence that lets the listener keep their dignity where the rites differ.